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stuck in the middle. we need to know now, not after november 6th. i'll be listening for those answers and i hope to bring you more words you need to hear the next time we hear from these two gentlemen together on the stage. what about you? what do you need to hear in the next debate? tell me on facebook or via twitter. let's keep this conversation going. back now to "cnn saturday" for the latest headlines. have a great weekend, everybody. live from cnn world headquarters in atlanta, this is "cnn saturday morning." >> investigators have made progress into the investigation, into agent av.'s death. >> a new theory behind the brutal death of a u.s. border agent. why investigators are saying he may have died at the hands of his own. 500 convicted felons could be set free in massachusetts. why? this chemist allegedly tampered
with evidence the last nine years. bullied on the bus. caught on tape. it's national bullying prevention month and one mother is speaking out. good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. we begin this hour with a stunning scandal out of massachusetts. thousands of drug cases now being called into question and hundreds if not thousands of convicted criminals could go free. all because of the allegations centered around this chemist that you see there. allegations that he faked test results, forged documents and repeatedly tampered with evidence while working at a state drug lab. now, every test, every evidence and sample that she touched during the nine years she worked there are raising doubts. here's our national correspondent. >> reporter: former massachusetts chemist annie duken. the state of massachusetts is accusing duken of tampering with
drug evidence that could call into question at least 34,000 cases going back to 2003. 34,000. at the moment, she faces only three charges. however, in boston alone, the d.a. estimates as many as 500 convicted felons could be set free. how big of a mess is this? >> at this point, susan, we don't know. >> reporter: at this lab now closed by the state, duken allegedly mishandled drugs seized by police for evidence at trial. she allegedly estimated the amount of drugs at times by simply looking at them and certified some drugs as cocaine that are now testing negative. she didn't just write down the wrong thing. prosecutors accuse her of doctoring evidence to change test results. >> she would take known cocaine from an area that she knew was cocaine and actually add them to the sample to make it cocaine.
>> the explosive implications of duken's alleged crimes could be far reaching. we're talking about people who may have been thrown into prison because of duken's questionable work. i spoke with cnn legal contributor paul cowen about the potential fallout here. >> all of their convictions could be thrown out. and many of them, by the way, are not just drug criminals, they're violent criminals, and you might have had one drug count in the conviction, but it could have been a rape prosecution or a murder prosecution. so this is an enormous, enormous scandal and danger to the people. >> 34,000 cases going all the way back to 2003. in one case, this convicted rapist whose bail was reduced after the scandal was released and is now a fugitive and you're saying the public should be alarmed in case of these dangerous people out there. >> they should. and i think some people are going to come forward and say well, all right, so they'll just throw out the drug count. but if he's in for rape, he'll stay in for rape. well, not true.
how do we know the jury wasn't influenced by the fact that the guy was a drug dealer or possessed drugs in evaluating his credibility on the rape or the murder or whatever other charge there was? so that's what i'm really worried about. i'm not worried about drug criminals. i'm worried about violent criminals being released into the streets of massachusetts and elsewhere in the country, by the way. in other news, a positive jobs report usually brings about a universally positive discussion, but not in the current climate. the unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in september, a drop of .3% in august. the current rate is the lowest level since president obama took office. critics of the president question the bounceback. some suggesting the books may even have been cooked. jack welch, the former v. owe of general electric, tweeted this. welch later came on cnn's "anderson cooper 360" and said
if he had that tweet to do over again, he would have added one thing. >> so many politicians these days are saying like michele bachmann will say something that factually is nocht correct and they'll say i'm just asking the question. is it responsible to say i'm just asking the question, but to say they'll do anything. >> i should have put the question mark. a question mark would have been better at the back of that. >> so you are kind of backing away -- >> i'm not backing away. >> you wish you could amend your tweet? >> i wish i added a question mark to the back of it. but the same implications. >> to say something like this is like donald trump saying that president obama is not an american citizen without any proof. you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you
beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. >> yes. >> not one of them had a number below 8.1. tomorrow, three suspected terrorists are expected to make their first court appearance in new york. they were extradited from britain overnight after a legal battle that lasted more than ten years. one suspect has a hook for a hand and has called osama bin laden a hero. the radical cler iic is wanted r several crimes commit against the united nations the '90s. the fbi now thinks that border patrol agent may have died by friendly fire. nicolas ivey was shot and killed in california. initially officials said ivey
and his colleague were wounded after responding to a censor. authorities say the only shell casings found at the scene were those belonging to the agents. >> as you know, investigators are made progress into the investigation into agent ivey's death and are looking into the possibility that it was a tragic accident. the result of friendly fire. the fact is the work of the border patrol is dangerous. all of us wear the uniform know this and yet this special creed of men and women willingly put themselves in harm's way to serve their country and to protect their communities against those who wish to do us harm. >> that news comes as homeland security secretary janet napolitano traveled to arizona to meet with officials and ivey's family. reacting to his death, napolitano said in part "this tragedy reminds us of the risks our men and women confront, the
dangers they willingly undertake while protect our facing's borders." ivey is the third border patrol agent killed in the line of duty this year. cell phone video shows a seventh grade boy getting pummelled by two classmates on his school bus. what makes this story different, the boy was taunted by the bullies who dared him to hit them. you can see him swing, and then the two boys pounce. they since have been suspended. later this hour, the victim's mother will join us to talk about what happened to her son and how to deal with the bullying. we want to hear from you on this. tweet me @randi kayecnn. the candidates are targeting hispanic voters. we'll break down the numbers and the impact on swing states. with arthritis pain.rnins and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain.
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the elections, we're taking an in-depth look this morning at the effect latinos could have on election dame you know that saying there's power in numbers? well, latinos have exactly that. according to the latest census, there are more than 50 million latinos in the u.s., and of those, more than 12.2 million are expected to show up at the polls on election day. that is just over half of latinos who are eligible to vote. joining me now, as they do every week at this time, cnn contributor maria cardona and amy holmes, anchor of "the real news" on the blaze. good morning to both of you. maria, how critical is the latino vote in swing states like florida, for example? >> it's very critical, randi, and especially in this close election. we saw already the latino vote being decisive. in 2008, president obama would not have been able to turn florida, new mexico, colorado, nevada, would not have been able to turn those blue and win the election had it not been for the
latino vote. in 2010, latinos basically saved democrats from losing the senate, and harry reid says this all the time. so latinos have already been decisive. they could be more decisive. you showed the numbers. if they came out to vote in more numbers. but essentially they will be a very critical part of deciding who the next president will be. and republicans have said that this next candidate, mitt romney, cannot win the white house if he can't get at least 40% of the latino vote. he's nowhere near that right now, randi, so this should be a big problem for republicans. >> amy, latinos say that the democrats have done a much better job in terms of reaching out to latinos and minority voters. what, if anything, do republicans need to do to turn around that perception? is it too late? >> well, interestingly, during the conventions, president obama, he outspent mitt romney 7-1, but the spending that mitt romney did do during his convention was mostly in
hispanic media. so you see the romney campaign is very aggressively trying to court and reach out to hispanic voters. but let me get to this 40% number that maria threw out there. in fact, george bush did win in 2000 with 35% of the hispanic vote, depending on who you're talking to in 2004, he won between 41% and 44%, and that was really surprising. that was a high water mark. because last mid-term election, interestingly, in 2010, you had record hispanic turnout for a midterm election, 6.6 million voters and 38 voted for the gop, and in three states, latinos won statewide offices, all of them republican. republican governors. susanna martinez, brian sandoval. so you're seeing hispanic voters, hispanic politicians, while democrats tend to win the majority of them, are doing very well in the republican party. >> when you look at the latino voting block there are more than 11 million eligible latinos who
aren't even registered to vote. many of them are young voters. why so many? why aren't they getting out to the polls? >> well, it's interesting, randi, because that's clearly something that the democrats have been focused on to make sure that we get as many latino voters out there, especially those that are eligible to get registered and then to vote. i think the problem is that a lot of them are very concerned with their own livelihoods. they have been really beat down by the recession that was caused by the republican policies in george w. bush's tenure, and, you know, a lot of them are holding down -- trying to hold down more than one job, some more than two jobs. so i really think it's incumbent upon the parties to really reach out to them to let them know that they are the deciding factor, and that this is about making sure that their families reach the american dream, and we've seen in poll after poll, democrats win the majority of support of latino voters right now. president obama, you had an nbc
telemundo poll, having president obama at more than 70%. there's a survey coming out monday of latina moms where president obama is at 92%. so these are not good numbers for the republicans if they really want to see the white house in november. >> amy, changing topics here. big bird. we can't not talk about big bird. he's become the big talker. pbs, though, just a small fraction of the federal budget, as obama is quick to point out. so why do you think the push by romney to end the funding? >> for big bird? >> well, for pbs, sure. >> right. well, he said he was a fan of big bird, but i think he used that as an example of a federally funded organization that he believes doesn't need that taxpayer money. it certainly does well with its own private funding drives. i mean, we're forever seeing pbs funding drives, let's face it. so governor romney was just simply illustrating a point that he would be willing to cut even popular things like big bird because he doesn't see that it's
a federal responsibility. >> mitt romney now says that he was wrong about that 47% comment as well. listen to this. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right. in this case, i said something that's just completely wrong. >> president obama, surprising a lot of people by not even bringing that up in the debate. but amy, i'm going to go to you first on this one. does this end the conversation about the 47%? >> well, interestingly enough, as so many pundits, so of the debate watchers have noted, president obama didn't bring it up in the debate when he had a chance, talking about the economy, talking about all these folks who are unemployed or underemployed, and it would seem to indicate that president obama was saying that this was not worth pursuing. he certainly had used it on the campaign trail. it's been used in ads. but standing there on the debate stage, he apparently made the
choice that it was unworthy of him and unworthy of the audience. will joe biden bring it up next week in his vice presidential debate? he may. we'll find out. >> it might have been a strategy, too. maria what do you think? >> i actually think it was a missed opportunity, randi. he should have brought it up. but i will guarantee you that democrats, including joe biden, will absolutely continue to bring it up, because after he said he thought he was wrong, or before he said he thought he was wrong, he doubled down on those remarks two or three times before he realized it was really hurting him in the polls. and we're talking about latinos this morning. majority of latinos are in that 47%, including my mother and father and a lot of people in my family. so that's why it has hurt him and that's why he thought he needs to come out and say it was a mistake, but we're not going to let him run away from it. >> always nice to see both of you. thank you. >> you, too, randi. thank you. >> thank you. >> be sure to tune in for a special cnn documentary, "latino in america: courting their vote" hosted by soledad o'brien,
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21 minutes past the hour now, and this just in. the obama campaign says it raised $181 million in the month of september, with more than 1.8 million people donating. the campaign is trumping donors who gave a small amount. 98% of the donations were $250 or less. joining me now is brett o'donnell, former chief strategist for michele bachmann's presidential campaign. good morning. what do you make of those fundraising numbers? >> well, they're great fundraising numbers, but, you know, the governor, i'm sure, will have a great month as well. it's more about message than it is about money now heading down into the final days. >> mitt romney may soon get a cash boost of his own after the strong showing, a lot of folks say, in that debate. his performance surprised many,
but you helped prepare him for the primary debates. was it exactly what you expected? >> well, you know, the governor has gotten increasingly better across both sets of primaries, from 2007 and 2008, to now this primary cycle, and across these primary debates he's gotten better and better, especially when he got into florida and arizona, had to go one-on-one with newt gingrich and rick santorum, he really grew, and i think what you've seen as a progression to the performance from the other night. >> here is what democratic strategist hillary rosen told me earlier this morning about the president's performance at that debate, which was panned by both critics and supporters. so listen to this and i want to get your reaction. >> you know, president obama didn't do so badly. he was much quieter, he was more thoughtful, he got a lot of facts out. it was just -- when push comes to shove, the policies for
president obama, looking to support education, not wanting to see the health care cuts, those policies -- supporting women -- are much more popular than mitt romney's policies. i think that the obama team is going to double down on that over the next few weeks. >> brett, your reaction to that? >> well, you know, on wednesday night, those policies didn't look so good. a debate's about a competition of ideas, especially a political debate. so the president's got to be able to defend those policies if they truly are superior, and on wednesday night he didn't do a very good job of doing that. >> columnist david brooks and peggy noonan praised romney's performance after its missteps in recent weeks. brooks writing this. romney finally emerged from the fog and at long last began the process of offering a more authentic version of himself. noonan wrote this, america got its first sustained look at the good and competent mr. romney.
how much do you think does the public support of leading conservatives like the two of them help romney, not just with republicans but with undecided voters? >> i think it helped some, but the person who helped governor romney most was governor romney. on wednesday night, he was before almost 70 million people, a lot of them undecided voters trying to make up their mind. he made a very clear case that, you know, he is someone who can connect. i thought the thing that was most shocking to me was the fact that the governor -- you know, the president has said to be better liked, more likable, better able to connect with voters, and it seemed to me as though the governor did a better job at doing those things on wednesday night than the president. so i think he helped himself tremendously. >> i want you to take a look at this poll with me. this is a quinnipiac poll. there it is. there you go.
likely voters, who cares about the needs and problems of the people like you was the question. obama 60%. romney 46%. what do you make of those numbers? >> i think we'll have to see how those numbers change over the course of the next few weeks i don't know that those numbers actually reflect what voters got to see. the president has been the president for four years. by and large, mitt romney is still being introduced to the american people because they don't really pay attention until after the conventions. and what happens in the next couple debates, governor romney has to keep performing because surely the president will up his game in the next couple of debates. >> brett o'donnell, appreciate your time. thank you. >> good to be with you. the counterattack jewish and christian leaders are launching
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just about the bottom of the hour now. the navy's newest warship won't be named after a historic figure or a president, but one of their own. this is a live picture out of new york of the uss michael murphy. the ship is being commissioned in honor of murphy who was navy seal lieutenant, killed during a reconnaissance mission in 2005 in afghanistan. he was leading a four-man team on a mission to find a key taliban leader when murphy's team came under fire. he was the first american awarded the medal of honor posthumously for the afghanistan war. here are some other stories we're watching this morning. an advertising campaign battle of sorts is being waged underground in the subway system of new york city. check out these ads. the message is clear. religious tolerance, unity, and support for the muslim community. this is a part of three separate ad campaigns launched by jewish and christian groups. it is a direct response to this controversial ad that references savages and calls on civilized man to support israel, defeat
jihad. next, to colorado where police have issued an amber alert following the disappearance of this 10-year-old girl. jessica ridgeway was on her way to school but never showed up, prompting officials to call her mother. but the search it turns out was delayed because her mom who works the night shift slept through those phone calls. so far police have searched the surrounding area but have found nothing. the fungal meningitis outbreak is spreading. the cdc says at least 47 people have been infected. five people have died. the cause of the outbreak is believed to be contaminated steroids. clinics in 23 states received the tainted drugs, more than 17,000 viles have been recalled now. doctors are trying to figure out how patients were actually infected. it's been one of the romney campaign's longest running talking points. 43 months of unemployment, over 8%, and the president to blame. >> 8% unemployment for over -- how many, 43 months?
we still have unemployment over 8%. he told us to hold unemployment below 8%. >> unemployment above 8% month after month after month. >> but all that changed yesterday. the bureau of labor statistics reporting the unemployment rate falling to 7.8%. where does the romney campaign go from here? i'm joined by a republican spokesman. romney has said the president's policies right-hand turn working and the 8% was an indication of that. what's the response now? >> well, i think clearly the number of americans who are still looking for work, the people -- the work force participation rate is still far, far too high, so i don't think that 7.8% unemployment is something anybody, even the democrats, are cheering about. so i think that the president still clearly has a case to make for why another four years are going to be better under his leadership. >> the democrats would say, as
they've said on our air this morning, that it is heading in the right direction at least. but normally a jobs number comes and goes, but yesterday certainly quite a bit of controversy over this latest number. some republicans, including former ge ceo jack welch saying that the number may not be kw t correct. welch tweeted this. unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do nothing. can't debate so change numbers. does the romney camp share that position? >> well, i think the point is it's one month of unemployment numbers. we'll have to wait and see next month what happens. but i think clearly the message is that the unemployment number is still 7.8%. we still have a work force participation rate that is far, far too high. we have 23 million americans who are still looking for work or struggling to find work. so i think we still have a lot of americans who are going to argue that they are not better off now than they were four years ago. i think that is the central
question that people are asking right now as we're about 30 days out. >> but my question was does the romney campaign stand with where jack welch stands? that these numbers may have been manipulated? >> like i said, we're going have to wait and see. i think that there are some questions about, you know, work force participation rate, so we'll have to wait and see. it's one month of numbers and we'll see next month when the numbers come out again. >> mitt romney's big push has been his economic experience, but if the president's policies are showing signs of recovery, where does that leave mitt romney and his campaign? where do they turn now? >> well, like i said before, i think that even the democrats, the president's team yesterday, 7.8% unemployment is not exactly something to be jumping for joy about. and there are a lot of americans, whether it's what they pay at the gas station, what they're paying in the grocery store, the level of debt and deficit this country is
facing, it's clear that we have a lot of problems in this country that the president has just not addressed, and i think that's why we saw his debate performance the way that it was a couple of nights ago. he has a really, really hard time defending his record, defending the last four years and that's why we saw such a difference between him and governor romney on the stage last wednesday in denver. >> kirsten, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. a 12-year-old boy is attacked on a school bus but didn't tell his mother. we'll tell you how she found out. it's one of the most recognizable guitar riffs ever recorded. the theme to "james bond." ever wonder how much the guy who played it made? we'll tell you next. ♪
♪ you know that theme song, don't you? it's bond, james bond. while today's bond is walking around in kos tom made tom ford suits, the guitarist here, you could say he got the short end of the stick. vic flick was paid just $15 for his iconic guitar rift. from sean connery to daniel craig what are your favorite james bond moments and kraergt s characters? the movie series turned 50. >> what are you having? >> i'll have a vodka martini, shaken, not stirred. >> do you expect me to talk? >> no, mr. bond, i expect you to
die. terror me, the best bond villain of all time is goldfinger. he is obsessed with gold. you would think somebody like that would be easy for james bond to foil but he actually gets smarter as the film goes along. >> i'll never find another girl like you. will you marry me? >> the best bond girl, tracy. she's the woman that bond marries. she has everything that you could want in a great bond woman character. she's brilliant, she's strong, she's beautiful, she's also incredibly troubled, and her father happens to be one of the great crime lords of europe. best action sequence of a bond film is one where bond doesn't have to rely on technology. in fact, can't rely on technology. "casino royale." amazing leaps over a building under construction. it really shows james bond's determination, drive, guts and
ingenuity. best james bond car by far, aston martin db-5. cost more than most british citizens made during the course of a year when it came out. you see it in all the recent bond films as well. best james bond moment has to be when bond skis off a cliff at the beginning of "the spy who loved me," tumbles through sparks everybody watches it holds their breath until the james bond theme kicks in. >> you should give up smoking. significant relates are very bad for your chest. >> i think all of the actors who played james bond brought something unique to the role and really brought something to the series that has kept it alive. my favorite, of course, is sean connery, who introduced the world to james bond, made him a phenomenon. bayh close second, daniel craig. >> the name's bond. james bond.
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your job. october is national bullying prevention month. we were reminded this week just how serious the issue can be. jennifer livingston is a news anchor in wisconsin. one of her viewers decided to share his thoughts about her weight and e-mailed her station. "surely you don't consider yourself a suitable example for this community's young people, girls in particular. obesity is one of the worst choices a person can make." in response to that e-mail, jennifer decided to make a suitable example out of kenneth. >> what really angers me about this is there are children who don't know better, who get e-mails as critical as the one i received, or in many cases even worse, each and every day. the internet has become a weapon. our schools have become a battleground. listen to me right now. do not let your self-worth be defined by bullies. learn from my experience that the cruel words of one are
nothing compared to the shouts of many. "good morning america" caught up with mr. krause and got his response. he said his intention was never to hurt anyone. >> like i say, it's possible that i could have revised a few things. like i say, i never meant to hurt jennifer in any way. if she is truly hurt, i do apologize for that. >> and no word if she will accept that apology. now, in phoenix, arizona, a mother finds out her son is being bullied on the school bus after she receives a barrage of texts and phone calls from concerned parents. take a look at this cell phone video as her 12-year-old son was repeatedly punched by two brothers. and joining us now from phoenix is the victim's mother, tiffany
hunter. tiffany, good morning. i'm sure that's hard for you to watch. it's hard for us to watch. at what point did you know that something was really wrong that day? >> well, honestly, when he came home from school that day, he seemed a little bit off. he wasn't really saying much to me. he did say he had a head ache. he basically didn't want to do homework, which which kid does? but he just was more -- kind of weepy. and all of a sudden i started getting all sorts of phone calls, text messages, everything from friends, which one of my friends actually sent me the actual video that you saw. and of course, i asked my son what exactly happened and he fessed up. he told me everything that had happened. and he didn't want to tell me because he was afraid he was going to get in trouble or there would be more repercussions from the other boys. >> what was it like for you as his mom to see that happening to him on the school bus? >> it's heartbreaking. you want to ask questions. why didn't somebody stop it? they were able to pull out their
cell phones but no one stopped it. you know, that's really hard. >> the two brothers who were accused in this case were actually suspended from school. have they apologized to your son or to your family? >> no, they have not. they were suspended for two days, but that was it. >> and what about their parents? have you heard from the boys' parents? >> no, i have not. not a word. >> i'm sure as a parent it is very hard. we do a lot of interviews about bullying on the show. parents -- it's very hard for them to understand what's happening and know what the right thing is to say to their children. do you have any advice for your son? have you given him some advice if he finds himself in a situation like this again? >> well, i definitely have. i mean, honestly, i'm saying tell somebody. the biggest problem is you look at -- especially junior high, the kids don't want to say anything, and so they're afraid to tell because they don't want to be considered the snitch. so i've just tried to really encourage him, if you see
somebody being bullied, tell me, tell a teacher, tell anybody so that it can stop. because if everybody's afraid to say anything, then how are we going to stop it? >> did he feel as if he had no choice, when they were encouraging him and antagonizing them, to swing at them and hit them? did he feel as though he couldn't do anything else? >> basically, yeah. there was quite a bit that happened before the video that you saw and it was them just continuously -- just pushing him around and they just would not leave him alone. >> 12 years old. that's such a difficult time on its own without this certainly. tiffany hunter, thank you very much and we wish your son the best. >> thank you. after losing a yearlong battle in britain to avoid extradition, a radical islamist and four others arrived right here in the u.s. to face terrorism charges. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future
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there says they entered not guilty pleas. three others will be in a new york court later today just for presenting first appearance in a legal system. >> how important is this case for the u.s.? what's riding on it? >> yeah, what's riding on it, according to fbi assistant director mary gallagher, the extraditions of he and the two other men are milestone in the federal government's efforts to combat high level terrorist suspects. they're not going to give up the fight. after 9/11, authorities say they were potentially very influential people. they deny that they were involved in any activities like this and they believe that their treatment in u.s. prisons is why they should have been allowed to stay in the uk. >> all right, richard roth, thank you very much. the whole apartment is only ten feet long and eight feet wide. yep. not kidding. so why are people so eager to
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>> reporter: some are compact. others bigou. then there's flat 8-f. nothing quite prepares you for something so small. this is it. all of it. there is no more. i can't touch from one side to the other without hitting the wall. i am 6'1" tall. and this is the length of the flat. the apartment is a converted porter's toilet and cloak room.
it tasks even the estate agent's vocabulary. >> unusual, unique, interesting market opportunity. >> i would point out the natural light coming through, the refurbishment, the location. >> reporter: the original asking price of $145,000 has been well exceeded. the current top offer is believed to be around $280,000 for one simple reason. the old rule location, location, location. this tiny apartment is in the best part of london and next to the top people's department store harrod's. >> you're going to get a hell of a lot of interest. >> the demand for this unique property has been intense. more than 100 viewings. a dozen offers. ironically, the winner is likely to be an investor from greece.
>> richard quest reporting there. we have much more ahead in the next hour of "cnn saturday morning," which starts right now. good morning, everyone, i'm randi kaye. a deadly disease is killing people across the country and it all started after patients were injected with these bottles of infected medicine. jack welch is backtracking from his tweet on yesterday's jobs report. well, sort of, kind of. we'll tell you what he's saying. an expatriot syrian doctor is on a mission that's both noble and dangerous. five people are dead as a deadly disease sweeps through the country. the fungal meningitis and 47 people are sick. it all started after they
received a steroid injection that was supposed to cure them. now physicians are checking to see how many received the contaminations. our brian todd has all the details. >> reporter: just a week after getting a steroid injection she thought would help her, janet russell is in intensive care at a tennessee hospital. that tainted injection might well have given her meningitis. her family is more than just concerned. >> of course, we're just worried sick is the main thing. >> this doesn't happen in america. i mean, this doesn't -- i hope that sound -- but you're just thinking this is something that is not even real. >> reporter: their mom is one of two dozen people in tennessee and dozens more in at least seven states believed to be victims of an outbreak of fungal menn m meningitis from bad steroids. health officials believe they got it from a tainted batch of
this steroid injected into the spinal column to treat back pain. in maryland, a state where hundreds of people could have been exposed, we went to clinics known to have received shipments of the steroid. at the surg center in bel-air, at least six people got injections. >> the ones we've talked to have all been fine, thank goodness and hopefully they'll continue to be fine. they say that the symptoms could take a while to show up. >> but other clinics here could have a bigger problem. an administrator in this building in baltimore did not want to go on camera with us, but did tell us that they had 300 patients who got injections of that drug. the administrator said that they are working with federal and local officials to investigate the case. they have contacted all 300 of those patients. the one who have had mild symptoms, they have urged to get checked. the administrator says they have no confirmed cases of meningitis from people from this facility who got the drug. he did say that they are disappointed in the drug
manufacturerer and that that manufacturer put people at risk. in a statement to cnn, the company says it has recalled that steroid, is working with health officials in the investigation, and has shut down temporarily. "the thoughts and prayers of everyone employed by the necc are with those who have been affected." as for this form of meningitis -- how dangerous is this? is this very contagious? >> this type of meningitis is not believed to be transmissable from person to person, so we're reaching out to people with the product. >> reporter: the symptoms include fever, chills, headaches, stiff necks, and they can even get small strokes. officials are scrambling to get the word out to as many people as possible who may have taken that steroid, very concerned that this outbreak could grow significantly in the days ahead. brian todd, cnn, baltimore. hospital workers in colorado are being told get a flu shot by
the end of the year or you are fired. it is part of a state program requiring 60% of health care workers to get the vaccination, but some health officials are making it mandatory for everyone. some say that it violates their rights. >> to me, it's tan issue of civl rights. i don't want to get the flu shot and to me it seems like i am forced to putting a virus in my body that i object to. >> we need to have a work force available when the public needs it, if they're sick. i think people choose to work in a hospital. >> if workers have a medical condition that prevents them from getting the shot, they have to wear a mask. october is breast cancer awareness month, but one of the catholic church's largest archdiocese is telling its members not to donate to the largest breast cancer fighting organization. the archdiocese of atlanta is directing its one million parishioners to stop supporting
susan g. komen for the cure. the group's biggest fundraisers are its annual races. in a memo, the church praised komen's work but criticized its funding of planned parenthood which provides funds for abortions. the better than expected jobs report changed the picture of economy. the labor department says the unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in september, a drop of .3 of a% from august. the current rate is the lowest level since president obama took office. those jobs numbers were good news for president obama as he prepares to face off against mitt romney for their next debate. romney, who rallied in virginia yesterday, spends today in florida preparing for the next debate and will hold a debate victory rally this evening. the president is laying low at the white house with no public events today. he spent yesterday rallying supporters in the swing state of ohio. this will certainly make the president smile. september proved to be a lucrative month for his
re-election campaign. democrats raised $181 million. that's a record in. the last month of the campaign, that cash could prove crucial, especially for ad buys in those toss-up states. we have some new developments in that shooting that killed a u.s. border patrol agent. the fbi now thinks he may have died by friendly fire. 30-year-old nicolas ivey was shot and killed this week in arizona. initially officials said ivey and his colleague who was wounded in the incident came under fire after responding to a censer that went off. but authorities say the only shell casings were those belonging to the agents. >> as you know, investigators have made progress into the investigation, into agent ivey's death. we're looking into the possibility that it was a tragic accident, the result of friendly fire. the fact is the work of the border patrol is dangerous. all of us who wear the uniform know this, and yet this special breed of men and women willingly
put themselves in harm's way to serve their country and to protect their communities against those who wish to do us harm. >> that news comes as janet napolitano traveled to meet ivey's family. she said "this tragedy reminds us of the risks our men and women confront, the dangers they willingly undertake, while protecting our nation's borders." ivey is the third border patrol agent killed in the line of duty just this year. the butler did it. that is the ruling from the vatican court today. paolo gabrielle will serve a year and a half in jail for stealing the pope's confidential papers and leaking them to a journalist. a book based on those papers claims corruption within the vatican hierarchy. and then gabrielle's trial created the biggest scandal to hit the vatican. we'll have a live report on that coming up. tensions flare.
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two tunisians are being detained in turkey in connection with the fire that destroyed the u.s. consulate in benghazi. the men had been on a watch list provided by the u.s. to turkish authorities. fbi investigators have not talked with the two tunisians yet but hope to do so soon. the fighting in syria is spilling across its borders. turkish soldiers are returning fire after a shell from syria landed near a border village. it's been four days since clashes began between the two countries. nick peyton walsh joins us from beirut. we're hearing from the shell was aimed at the syrian opposition groups, not at turkey. when is the latest that you're hearing on that? >> reporter: it seems to be the case, the fourth consecutive day of fire. a local turkish official saying they think the syrian army were targeting rebel groups active in the border area. they appear to have overshot and landed a shell inside turkey in
an area that wasn't populated but close to a village. turkish residents there are terrified talking about how the forests are on fire, their livelihood and many of their lives being destroyed by this and the constant sound of gunfire in the background. i think the diplomatic efforts we saw earlier, turkey, are saying -- syria offering its deep condolences, but not actually the apology, trying to keep a lid on things, but the situation on the ground out of control. it seems perhaps the so called fog of war causing a problem here. but let's hear how earlier on this week the turkish prime minister tried to diffuse the situation. >> translator: turkey wants peace as well as safety. that's our sole concern. we don't want war and we never would. the consequence of war in the region is obvious. we are also aware of the price syria has paid in the year and a
half. >> reporter: they have since then suggested that syria should not try and test turkey, so i think the situation, as i said, now in its fourth consecutive day, and many wondering quite where it stops. is this a new constant front in the syrian civil war? >> and we've been watching really this horrific massacre in syria now. but now it seems as though this is turning into a regional conflict with both of these countries firing into the other. how much concern is there about that? >> there's always been a concern. i mean, we've seen these shells land in lebanon and jordan, but not quite to the same effect. turkey is a key by the way, of the syrian rebels. been quite open in its support for them. many of them do seem to have some sort of refuge in southern turkey, that particular border area where much of it kind of under rebel control if you take out of the equation the syrian regime air power. i think the concern really is we're now seeing this exchange of fire suggesting that the turkish and syrian military are
almost facing off against each other. is this going to continue? we have not seen the syrian apology, and syria almost cried to blame rebel groups, terrorists perhaps behind some of these shells. an unwillingness i think for both sides to accept a step back perhaps, and certainly turkey very keen to show that it will not tolerate any more syrian aggression. turkey is a nato member here, so the consequences of this escalating are very great in deed. >> nick, thank you. as the fighting rages on, an ex-patriot syrian doctor is back in safetism jim clancy that is details. >> we're just a few minutes. we just saw the turkish -- the border patrol passing by.
>> this is mohamed, a syrian expatriot who has heeded the call to return home and help those in his country who are in desperate need. he's a dentist by profession. he left syria a decade ago, and today, he is determined to get medical supplies and know-how where they're needed. he's not radical, he says. he's not extraordinary. he left his family at home in saudi arabia and plowed half of his life savings into these monthly cross-border missions to coordinate medical relief among the rebels. >> this is one of the supplies that the civil yians are using. they help stop the wound. >> we're headed for a secret
hospital still under construction, hugging the mountains and a turkish border. the free syrian army hopes it would be protected from air strikes. we can't show you the exterior. more than $400,000 is needed to get this place up and running. >> we hope that companies can donate their instruments. we hope that governments can bring us supplies. we'll bring them in. >> reporter: these supplies are expected to last a month, say the doctors, some donated by the turkish government, dropped at the border and martialmarshalle part here by mohamed. >> how everything is exposed. they did their best, but we still have a lot to do. >> reporter: more than an hour's drive away and we're at another field hospital, another secret location. the time in the town of salma. >> we need to replace the
ministry of health. we're doing the job of the ministry. the difference is that our hospital i think -- the budget is so huge, and unless there's international support, we not do it ourselves. >> reporter: mohamed can finally hand over the few supplies he's carried from turkey. bandages with a blood clotting agent. will they help, he asks? yes, a surgical nurse assures him. fighters in the battlefield will use him. they stop wounds bleeding about 50% of time. supplies here too are thin on the ground, but help comes from a sympathetic source, libya, where the urgent demands of conflict are still fresh in their minds. >> there is no feeling what they feel. >> you want to find them.
>> this doctor is a pediatrician here and he is exasperated. a plan to acquire two balances has fallen through. >> we don't want a lot of things. we just want feelings that somebody is supporting you. somebody is looking after you. somebody is thinking of you. >> the provision of goods, says mohamed, is haphazard p it needs to be coordinated. it needs to be efficient. delivery needs to be targeted. on this mission, he visits several other medical clinics, places so protected that camera cannot follow. he's optimistic he can convince others to come here and give their support. >> the purpose of this trip to show my leagues in saudi arabia and europe and the states, it's easy to come in and out. it's not that difficult. for the past two days we've been hearing bombs continuously. so what? none of these reached us. those conditions will continue. i think there is a lot of work
on our side. >> reporter: traveling back to the border, we look in at the progress of the secret hospital. even without the necessary equipment, the triage room is already in use. >> we believe that the turkish border will be the main entrance to syria. at least keeping a blind eye for us to work. >> reporter: for the rebels in these border enclaves, the fight against the regime is in desperate need of a lot more than just ammunition. jim clancy, cnn. the u.s. navy's newest warship won't be named after a historic figure or president, but one of the navy's own. take a look here. this is a live picture out of new york of the uss michael murphy. the ship is being commissioned and honors murphy, a navy seal lieutenant. murphy was killed during a reconnaissance mission in 2005 in afghanistan. he was leading a four-man team
on a mission to find a key taliban leader when murphy's team came under fire. murphy was the first american awarded the medal of honor posthumously for the afghanistan war. venezuelan gos to the polls tomorrow one month ahead of the u.s. venezuela will elect its president. 58-year-old hugo chavez is hoping subsidies will help his re-election bid. it's only $2 to fill up your tank there. in an effort to woo young voters, he's taken on a rapper's persona during rallies. his 40-year-old opponent also is advancing social programs, but he says he'll also make government more efficient and repair venezuelas infrastructure. authorities in texas say a 17-year-old boy killed his mother and sister, then calmly dialled 911. we've got the tape. you'll hear his chilling words next. and if you're leaving the house right now, just a reminder, you can continue watching cnn from your mobile phone. you can also watch cnn live if your laptop. just go to cnn.com/tv.
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you know? i didn't want them to feel any pain, that's why i used the gun. it was like everything went wrong. >> police say jake evans' father was out of town on business when the killings occurred. evans is charged with capital murder and is jailed without bond. we've reached out but haven't been able to determine if he has a laureate. there is a verdict in the case against the pope's butler. his crime, his punishment and the latest from the vatican.
the vatican court found pope benedict's former butler guilty of stealing and leaking private papers to a journalist. those papers became the fuel for a book alleging corruption in the vatican hierarchy. barbi nadow joins us from rome with reaction. it sure didn't take the court long to rule. >> no, in many ways this was just a technicality. paolo gabrielle admitted to the crime. it was really a formality, and a nice little bookend the a scandal that has really been embarra
embarrassing. >> there was some talk that the pope might pardon the butler is. this still a possibility? can he do that? >> it's a probability at this point. even the vatican spokesperson said today it's very likely that the pope will actually pardon his former servant, but it's a matter of the pope's discretion, when he'll do it and if he'll do it. paolo has been sentenced to 18 months in jail, and whether or not he has to serve that time or not, we still don't know. he may be pardoned prior to that or he may be able to serve that time on house arrest where he is tonight. >> has there been really any official fallout from the book and the allegations of corruption? >> well, there has been the holy seat -- the pope ordered a special commission of cardinals to investigate in tandem with the criminal investigation into gabriel's leaking of the documents, if there was anyone in any higher ranking, any cardinals, much higher in the holy seat was involved in making these documents.
the butler may not have known exactly what documents were damaging to the holy seat in general. the alleged financial corruption and infighting and things like that. there's always a line of someone else that may have helped him or guided him, that were leaked to do the most damage. >> thank you very much. appreciate the update. and back here at home, the better than expected jobs report results have become contentious in a highly charged political atmosphere. first the numbers, then the controversy. the labor department says the unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in september. that's a drop of .3 of a percent from august. the current rate is the lowest level since president obama took office. jack welch set off a fire storm yesterday, sending out this tweet questioning the validity of yesterday's unemployment number, accusing the administration of changing the numbers. mr. welch appeared on "anderson cooper 360" last night to talk about those allegations.
>> i've got a tweet throughout that i stand by. >> right. but you don't regret -- >> i can't prove that they did anything. >> but in your heart, you think they somehow cooked the books? >> i don't know. but i do know this. that these numbers are implausible. >> so many politicians these days are saying like -- like michele bachmann will say something that factually is not correct or not prove nl and then they'll say i'm just asking the question. but is it responsible to say i'm just asking the question? >> should have put the question mark at the end like i did last night. a question mark would have been better at the back of that. >> so you are kind of backing away? >> i'm not backing away. >> do you wish you could amend your tweet? >> i wish i added the question mark at the back. but the same implication is there. >> i want to bring our business correspondent, because i don't pretend to be an expert on this stuff.
what do you make of jack welch's tweet and what he's saying tonight? >> anderson this is very troubling. anybody who has asked me in my entire career who the best ceo in america is, the answer would be jack welch. jack welch needs to be out there helping this country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people retweeting what he said. i think he's absolutely right that there are questions to be asked about the methodology. that household survey that comes up with the unemployment number, i have said for my entire career people should pay less attention to it. pay attention to the payroll survey. pay attention to hours worked and wages and income. but to say something like this is like donald trump saying that president obama is not an american citizen without any proof. you are jack welch. you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but to throw out the accusation, that's like asking the government how
often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, but the facts are no matter how you want the look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about $115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. >> the bureau of labor statistics which determines the unemployment number is a nonpolitical and independent agency. this weekend, nasa will try something it has never done before on mars. the rover will use its robotic arm to conduct a very important test and we'll show you the latest pictures. [ male announcer ] it started long ago.
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fantastic. that's where you start from. >> in this business, our schedules are so erratic. how important is a set sleep schedule and consistency? >> you know, we were just talking about this, how big it is, because your body craves balance and consistency. so the best thing with the sleep schedule is great. think of a kid. when a kid has a set sleep schedule, they'll be much better. so ideally what you want to do is wake up around the same time each day and then go to sleep around the same time each night. when you can't do that and you actually stay up too late, still wake up at the same time. you can make your sleep up, just go to bed a little bit earlier the next night and eventually you'll make up that deficit. >> you can make it up? >> yeah, that's the biggest thing. >> how about napping? does that help make it up? >> napping helps if it's consistent. but if you nap during the day and then it's going to make you go to bed later, so if you're not napping at the same time each day, it's not as good. so ideally, you can make up sleep. just go to bed a little bit earlier, but still wake up at
the same time roughly each day. >> so you brought some props with you. these look very familiar to me, i will admit. these are things that can help you sleep better. walk me through some of them. >> it's all about quality. we talk about your sleep is cycles. you have light sleep, deep sleep, then dream, like your rem sleep. ideally, with your light sleep aspect, you want to have a dark environment. dark environment releases the hormone melatonin, which is your sleep hormone. >> that you put over your eyes. >> when it's light out, your body inhibits the release of melatonin. in a quiet environment, you want to make sure that off quiet environment because that interrupts your sleep cycles, too. >> maybe some ear plugs or white noise. >> ear plugs, or white noise. but when you sleep with the tv on, set the alarm so 20 minutes later it turns off. >> an alarm clock, you say? >> ideally you wake up without
an alarm clock. if you need it, use it initially. you want good pillow so that you have the proper biomechanics. >> that's a great looking april low. pretty comfortable? >> tempurpedic. >> napping is okay, but don't throw off your sleep schedule. >> get a schedule, high qualltism it's not about doing more, it's about the highest quality sleep possible. >> and take some vacation time. sleep a lot. mark, thank you. nice to see you. from slum to opera singer, a member of mitt romney's much maligned 47% takes to the stage and sets a new tone for perception of the poor and how a hand up got him to center stage. [ male announcer ] this is anna, her long day teaching the perfect swing
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>> reporter: 31-year-old solomon howard sings to the rich and powerful. his voice has brought him here to the send center singing mozart with the washington national opera. it's as far away as you can get from this, one of washington, d.c.'s poorest neighborhoods, where solomon grew up the eldest of seven children. >> we lost our home. then stayed with families, different families. we sometimes would walk until we could find something, somewhere to stay. >> reporter: his family, part of the 47% referred to by republican candidate mitt romney in that controversial video, addressing wealthy republican donors.
but solomon says his mother and stepfather never thought it was the government's job to take care of them. >> they always instilled great values and morals in us and just never to give up and to keep pursuing. >> reporter: after a life of food stamps and no health care, finally, a teacher heard solomon sing. >> she said no, i want you to try this, you're going to be serious about it and see what you have. >> reporter: there was a college scholarship, an audition before opera legend placido domingo. the help was needed, but soloman says don't put him and his family in some category of easy labels. so as family that's been through it, when you see this debate in the country, the whole 47% question -- >> right. >> reporter: what do you want people to really begin to understand about that? >> it's very important. i remember a few times when we ate off of the salvation army
food truck. had salvation army not been there, maybe i would have missed a meal that night or those few nights. what the goth does for us here is very helpful. at the same time, we do have to take >> oh, by the way, this opera singer would also like to do other things. >> i would like to do voiceovers. this is cnn. >> barbara starr, cnn. >> he did it. this is cnn. >> likes james earl jones. that's a powerful voice. i would love to know the evolution of when he discovered he had a beautiful singing voice. >> he has an amazing voice. cnn newsroom starts at the top of the hour so fred is here. >>in us for a day. i can hear his voice all day long pap lot coming up straight ahead noon eastern hour our legal guys will be with us. what do you think about the idea of being able to being tracked by federal authorities by way of
your cell phone? >> i don't like that idea at all. >> i know. it makes a lot of people uneasy. it's at the core of a legal case. the justice department thinks they are within the law by tracking people by use of a cell phone. we'll have a spirited discussion on that one. our big bond fan? who is not. can you name the majority of the actors who played james bond? >> now you're going to put me on the stop. >> pierce brosnan. >> roger moore, sean connery, daniel craig the newest. one of the first was a nonbrit. his name is george lazenby. he talks to us about what the experience was. what to do one film he could have done seven and what happened he didn't carry out with the seven bond contract. >> that's coming up later at 2:00. 4:00 eastern time everybody wants to know what it's like to see the world by way of a bird's
eye view. there's a documentary out on discovery channel. it's incredible. not just the bird's eye view that's incredible but the technology, the cam remarks how they attached it to some of these birds in order to see these. >> and what it feels like to take flight. >> we talked to the director and producer. phenomenal encounter and journey and that's actually in france. look. the baboons here. who would have thought they were one of the greatest predators of the flamingos. straight ahead. >> thank you. what the candidates said during the debate this week was telling but their body language also spoke volumes. we'll ask an expert, a body language expert to take a look.
voters, pundits and the media might have poured over every word the candidates said in the presidential debate but we're taking a different look at things and checking out how blinking, posture, fingerprinting and how hugs played a role. body language expert patty wood joins me this morning. i guess when you look at the debate and we've done this even with some of the other debates, winning a debate isn't just about hat you say, right? it's how you say it and what you look like. >> exactly. so much of the emotion and power
is said nonverbally. >> if we look at the beginning of the debate from wednesday night, the moment that governor romney and president obama came on stage, tell me what you see. >> well, i see the president going into what i call the politician's hand shake, high in the arm saying i'm in control, i'm the alpha here setting the tone for how he thinks the debate will go. >> that's the arm on -- hand on the arm. >> the higher on the arm the more power and control that person is showing. it's very typical of politicians to do that. >> that's power. >> they continue to hit each other. >> what is that? is that a guy thing. >> that's a guy thing. the hitting says i like it but there's other people watching. >> so when you go back to the podium and they started the debate the president is taking a lot of heat, a lot of criticism
for looking down. >> yeah. >> shaking his head, nodding a lot. >> yes. the downward motion, he wanted to stay contained. he was really, really upset with how much romney was over speaking, overlapping, interrupting, going over the time and to keep that presidential look, unfortunately, he did that by putting his head down and that made him lose his power to the visual realm of the audience. >> what does you want tell the audience? >> it tells the audience it makes him feel defeated. >> not good. >> it's interesting because though it was containment that's not how it felt to us. >> what about romney? many times during the debate he was blinking very rapidly. >> yes. that showed his tension. often was when obama won a point in the debate romney responded by doing that blinking, showing high stress level and then jump in and typically take the turn
away as soon as it happened. >> he's doing it here. a lot of big movements. the hands up and down and rocking back and forth. >> the last time i said he needed to do that. bring up his gestures. >> was he tuned in? >> i think so. he was caffeinated. like double espresso caffeinated. >> i think he was up for days. his eyes were blood shot. >> and the energy, completely changed. i was so struck by that. >> yeah. what about, we talked about his blinking. what about obama's smile? >> well he had a couple of real smiles when he won a couple of points, when he was talking about obama care and he smoothly went into the points. he gave real smiles. but most of the smiles were in irritation to things he thought romney were saying were absolutely ridiculous. like you have no idea how hard this job is was the smile he was giving romney. >> so eventually it ended. let's talk about the hugs and
the hand shakes at the end. what did you see there? >> remember we talked about obama being in control at the beginning. that's the primacy effect. there's a recency effect that occurs at the end of the debate the last thing viewers remember. it was very interesting. romney didn't want to leave the stage. he kept staying. he wanted to be the last visual we had. he revelled in it. obama left. >> what about obama's body language at the end. did he seem to be hunched over a little bit? >> he did. >> very interesting. >> again, i do feel like he realized he didn't do well. and there was a point even in his closing statements where you felt he had given up. he was so weary at that close and didn't do what i wanted him to do and that was to look straight at that cram. >> the next debate will be in a town hall setting. do you think we'll see a